Tell us about the lies you tell... your budget!

Coach Jon
Coach Jon Moderator admin

Happy April Fools! No fake feature announcements here today, just a safe space to admit how we sometimes try to fool our own Spending Plans and budgets!

We all have that one category we conveniently "forget" to check, or that one purchase we try to creatively categorize.

Let us know what the most ridiculous mental gymnastics you've done to justify a purchase is! 💸

-Coach Jon

Comments

  • UrsulaA
    UrsulaA Superuser ✭✭✭✭

    I tell myself some expenses are one time, take them off the spending plan and reports, and then they happen again. This does not happen often, fortunately. I have done it though.

    Simplifi User Since Nov 2023

    Minter 2014-2023

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  • SRC54
    SRC54 Superuser ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 13

    I have a lot of tricks I use. When I buy something new and expensive (like a refrigerator), I just use transfer. Then it doesn't cost me anything much. 🤣

    I purchase it, but only the sales tax or delivery fee is an immediate cost. The item gets transferred to Possessions so it's really a transfer from bank account to Household Items. (With the new exclude/include splits in Spending Plans/Reports, this will be easier to do!)

    The same thing happens when I buy a car. My cost is just what I lost on the trade-in of the old car + sales tax.

    Now this doesn't work with some items. I had to buy a new dishwasher a few years ago and those are "built-in" and go with the house (like a furnace or water heater). I had no choice but to use "Upkeep" category. Darn! 😪

    Steve
    Quicken Simplifi (Safari & iOS) Since 2021
    Quicken Classic (MacOS) Since 2009
    Dollars & Sense (DOS) and MS Money (Windows) 1987-2009

  • DryHeat
    DryHeat Superuser ✭✭✭✭

    @SRC54

    I purchase it, but only the sales tax or delivery fee is an immediate cost. The item gets transferred to Possessions so it's really a transfer from bank account to Household Items.

    This is a semi-legitimate move… but if and only if you depreciate the value of that possession and take that depreciation as an expense against your income every year.

    But I'm sure you already do that. Right? … Right? 😉

    DryHeat
    -Quicken Classic (1990-2020), CountAbout (2021-2024), Simplifi (2025-…)

  • EL1234
    EL1234 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Right, what happens if the fridge breaks? Surprise expense :)

    Well you might have a surprise expense of buying a new one, but THAT would just be a transfer 😁

  • SRC54
    SRC54 Superuser ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 13

    @DryHeat Right, it is semi-legitimate. 😀 I have tried just taking it out of the Spending Plan and including in reports. But this works ok as long as I update the value periodically in possessions the way I do for the Cars' values. The result is instead of an expense that subtracts from my income, it ends up as a decrease in my net worth.

    As I do with the cars, I use a transfer instead of a balance adjustment, which means that the hit is taken to my net worth instead of using a depreciation expense, which gets complicated.

    So let's say the refrigerator lasts 15 years, I would take my refrigerator's value down about a $100 a year. If it is something that may last 5 years like a computer, I would do 20% a year. It doesn't require any work to the spending plan but over time it will affect my net worth.

    I use a "goods" category for lower cost items that have an undetermined length of value so it is both an expense and a transfer into the Possessions account. These would be things like battery backups, cords, pots and pans, etc. Those things might not "depreciate" until I throw them out and delete them.

    Example: My iPhone 14Plus cost $900 new (outrageous right?). Right now according to Amazon I can buy a used one for $305. So that is what it says now. This possessions list is for my insurance company if I ever need it. And good luck getting anything out of them. I do this periodically as I say, once or twice a year.

    So like investments in stock, daily changes affect your net worth but they will affect your costs when you sell them. Since my old stuff ends up getting thrown away, I just never deal with depreciation.

    Edit: Really one should buy used Macs, iPads, iPhones as you can get them much cheaper and not pay so much depreciation! Same thing applies to used cars, but I won't learn that lesson.

    Steve
    Quicken Simplifi (Safari & iOS) Since 2021
    Quicken Classic (MacOS) Since 2009
    Dollars & Sense (DOS) and MS Money (Windows) 1987-2009

  • SRC54
    SRC54 Superuser ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 13

    It better not. I usually get 15-20 years out of one, but they don't make things the way they used to.

    But if it breaks after the warranty and I don't get anything for it, I would end up losing $1200 of net worth immediately and having to spend another $200 on taxes and delivery plus hauling the thing off, but the new one would be a transfer!

    Edit: this is a good time to tell you about my dorm room fridge I inherited from another student (he got it in 1972 or earlier) that I used in some form from 1973-2024, and it never broke. Of course, it had no features. It was in my office for years, my mom took it to her apartment for a while when she was working in Tupelo. Then back to my office and then classroom in public school. Then my wife had it in her office.

    When she retired, I told her just to leave it. I deleted it from my inventory along with the $50 value. Ha!

    For all I know, it is still going strong.

    Steve
    Quicken Simplifi (Safari & iOS) Since 2021
    Quicken Classic (MacOS) Since 2009
    Dollars & Sense (DOS) and MS Money (Windows) 1987-2009

  • EL1234
    EL1234 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Right, so you've got a yearly expense of 1/15 of the price of the fridge (and hopefully not more). Net-worth-wise it makes sense, but spending-plan-wise it might get confusing.

  • SRC54
    SRC54 Superuser ✭✭✭✭✭

    @EL1234 It works for me at my time of life. If I were living without savings, it probably wouldn't make sense. So I can take these expenses "off budget".

    The refrigerator expense just meant that I saved less money last August than usual. It works mainly because I am able to save more money annually than I have to spend for unexpected expenses. Even that isn't quite true, as this year I kinda expect to buy new washer/dryer and a new water heater as well. It's always in the back of my mind.

    Steve
    Quicken Simplifi (Safari & iOS) Since 2021
    Quicken Classic (MacOS) Since 2009
    Dollars & Sense (DOS) and MS Money (Windows) 1987-2009

  • EL1234
    EL1234 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Makes sense!