Splits in Recurring & Other Splits Enhancements: Share your feedback here!
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Hello @sea_compgeek & @SRC54,
Your posts have been merged with the official feedback thread for Splits in Recurring & Other Splits Enhancements, so they can be reviewed by our product team.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
-Coach Kristina
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I didn't quite understand the need for this feature until I started recording my mortgage payment both as a "transfer" to principal balance as well as an "escrow and interest" payment. This is set up, and I will see how well it works this month.
One question I have is how this is treated in my spending plan. Currently, my recurring bills is set up to recognize the mortgage expense as a combination of principal+interest/escrow. However, on my spending plan, only the interest/escrow appears. I understand why this happens in theory. The principal payment is merely a transfer that pays down the total mortgage principal. However, for my spending plan, the principal payment is still money I need to deduct from my overall monthly budget. It's money I am setting aside from liquid to non-liquid.
I suppose this could apply to any loan payment on the spending plan.
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You are correct that the transfer part is excluded by default as it is not really an expense. However, if you want to count the transfer in your Spending Plan, you can edit the splits and include it in your Spending Plan (but not reports). But you can do both if you wish since you want to see it as spending.
You can also edit the inclusions in the series so that it will show the way you like each month.
This way your entire mortgage payment should end up in the Bills section of your Spending Plan.
Steve
Quicken Simplifi (Safari & iOS) Since 2021
Quicken Classic (MacOS) Since 2009
Dollars & $ense (DOS) and MS Money (Windows) 1987-20090 -
What I was finding was that if you had a series, and you wanted to split transactions in that series, the new update meant all transactions would have to follow the same “series split breakdown”. I couldn’t have one transaction in the series split in one manner, and another transaction in the series split a different way. Whereas before, every transaction in a series was manually split every time. My problem was that almost all my series splits are different amounts and sometimes different categories, so being forced into a set “series split structure” was useless and actually removed my ability to use the split feature the way I needed to. When I checked today, I seemed to be able to split differently again, so I’m not sure if they updated the feature. But I’m happy again :)
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When I checked today, I seemed to be able to split differently again, so I’m not sure if they updated the feature. But I’m happy again :)
I glad to hear that it is working for you again. You are right that being forced to have the same splits every time would cause problems.
DryHeat
-Quicken Classic (1990-2020), CountAbout (2021-2024), Simplifi (2025-…)0 -
I think there is a possible bug in the app version.... When I entered my split for the car loan for June, the May split disappeared from the account register. And then I found the transaction in the checking and redid the split, May showed up and June disappeared.
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Is this a recurring payment or a regular split transaction? If the latter, please create a separate post so we can do some troubleshooting with you:
Otherwise, if this is regarding splits in recurring, I think our product team will need more details to get a clear picture of what you're seeing, since splitting across different dates/months is not currently supported. You can post those details here if the issue pertains to recurring reminders versus regular transactions!
-Coach Natalie
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Possible Bug or Unintended Treatment
I have tested over the last several weeks and have confirmed the following related to using the multi-split reminder tool. Due to the sensitive nature of the income I don't want to post screenshots on here, but can provide to the Helpdesk at their request.
For a paycheck split, prior to the pay date (date of the reminder), the "Spending Plan" in the "Income" section net's the gross income and all expenses / transfers. This reflects correctly prior to any pay dates. After the pay date and the reminder becomes an active transaction the "Income" section no longer net's out the income from the paycheck. The spending plan then shows the gross income in the "Income" section. Expenses in the "Other Spend" section and it includes all transfers in the "Excluded this month" section of the "Bills" area. By excluding the transfers, the spending plan then has an excess available which throws off the budget.
I can see that the next paycheck (reminder) is still the net of the income and expenses/transfers and therefore is being treated correctly.
What do I need to perform so that this works without intervention?
As a work around, once the (reminder)/ pay date occurs, I can go into the "Bills" section of the "Spending Plan" and I can change the exclusion treatment for the transfers so that my budget will balance out, but I would love to have a method that I don't need to remember to go in and fix each pay period.
In short, I feel like the (Reminder) works correctly prior to the pay date, but that once the transaction occurs the split is then treated differently in the "Spending Plan".
TiggerTrainer
Quicken Simplifi user since January 2025
Quicken Classic (Premier) user since 2004 - 2025 (21 years)
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@TiggerTrainer I believe what you describe is the intended behavior (for now).
You can edit the recurring income so that you include the transfer(s) in your Spending Plan and/or Report. But you have to explicitly do it as transfers by default are excluded. (At least I think this feature is now live to all users!)
If you don't want your income expenses to end up in "Other Spending", you can add the category for taxes, etc. as "Planned Spending". This is what I do so that my Spending Plan takes all of this into account from the get-go. Otherwise, it won't be accounted for until you receive it and it shows up in "Other Spending".
Right now in the Spending Plan, my recurring income always shows the gross income though you can hover the mouse pointer to see the splits.
Ideally, in the future maybe they will let us show all the transfers (included or not) and expenses in Bills/Subscriptions from the beginning.
Steve
Quicken Simplifi (Safari & iOS) Since 2021
Quicken Classic (MacOS) Since 2009
Dollars & $ense (DOS) and MS Money (Windows) 1987-20090 -
Thanks. How do you get the income to show as "Gross" as the spending plan naturally nets out the split transaction for the "income" reminder?
TiggerTrainer
Quicken Simplifi user since January 2025
Quicken Classic (Premier) user since 2004 - 2025 (21 years)
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Is yours not showing as gross? Mine are by default and I just did a test transaction that shows up as gross in the Spending Plan.
Are you enrolled in Early Access? This was live on May 21.
Edit: I figured it out. It is net income unless you include the withholdings as a Planned Expense! I remember now. Here's what happens when it is a non-planned expense:
See. This is why I like to engage because I re-learned something. Frankly, in the back of my mind I knew there was something I was missing.
It is neat that they make sure your bottom line is right in the Spending Plan one way or another.
Steve
Quicken Simplifi (Safari & iOS) Since 2021
Quicken Classic (MacOS) Since 2009
Dollars & $ense (DOS) and MS Money (Windows) 1987-20090 -
Thank you. This is at least a step in the right direction. Hopefully at some point they can add an enhancement to treat the transfers properly. I believe the goal of Simplifi is to simplify finances. If you have to remember to go in and fix things then it isn't very simplified. That said, the Split Reminder tool is a welcome addition!
TiggerTrainer
Quicken Simplifi user since January 2025
Quicken Classic (Premier) user since 2004 - 2025 (21 years)
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@TiggerTrainer No problem. It helped me too.
If you like, go to your Income Series and edit it so that it includes your transfer(s) in the Spending Plan and add Planned Spending categories for your expense deductions, and you won't have to change anything from now on.
I assume these transfer(s) are for some sort of Beneft Plan that you are not keeping up with in Simplifi? Because if it is actually a transfer to a 401K type thing, it really shouldn't be included in your Spending Plan.
Steve
Quicken Simplifi (Safari & iOS) Since 2021
Quicken Classic (MacOS) Since 2009
Dollars & $ense (DOS) and MS Money (Windows) 1987-20090 -
These are transfers
There are 3 transfers:
- 401a
- 457b
- Flex Spending liability account. (I have a liability and a benefit account. Spending comes from the benefit account. The liability is paid by part of my paycheck each pay period. Ultimately paying off the liability by the end of the year.)
For the 401a and 457b if they are not netted out from the income or not included in the "transfers" part of the spending plan, then when the gross salary is recorded in the "income" section of the spending plan too much spending would be available as it would not be taking into consideration the retirement transfers which have to be deducted.
TiggerTrainer
Quicken Simplifi user since January 2025
Quicken Classic (Premier) user since 2004 - 2025 (21 years)
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@TiggerTrainer I understand. Even though they are transfers to another account and affect your net worth, you don't consider the money to be available for Spending.
I ended up including the transfer in my wife's paycheck because once she retired (and back then Simplifi wouldn't let you exclude a transfer as part of a split income) she got a guaranteed monthly income and lost the asset. But when I put contributions into my IRA, I considered that savings but I transferred that from checking to the IRA myself so it didn't affect the Spending Plan at all.
So it's a personal preference. I always considered the leftover amount at the end of the month to be savings and not money available to spend. But including these transfers works for you. That's the main thing.
Steve
Quicken Simplifi (Safari & iOS) Since 2021
Quicken Classic (MacOS) Since 2009
Dollars & $ense (DOS) and MS Money (Windows) 1987-20090 -
You are not alone… I also include certain transfers in the Spending Plan.
For me, the question is not whether certain monthly inflows or outflows are technically income or expense in either a tax or accounting sense. Rather, the question is how those in-and-out amounts match up to show whether I am managing the money flow in a sustainable (hopefully, more than sustainable) way.
So, for example, when I was regularly putting money into a retirement account I considered that a reduction in the amount I had available to spend each month. And now that I am taking money out of that account each month I consider that an increase in available monthly funds. Because this is a monthly spending plan, not a net worth analysis, both need to be included to give me the kind of insight I want into my month-level finances.
DryHeat
-Quicken Classic (1990-2020), CountAbout (2021-2024), Simplifi (2025-…)0 -
I do similar if I'm taking money out of savings for a specific project. Unignore one side of the transfer so that there's extra "income" to cover those extra expenses that month. It's kind of the flip side of hiding those expense transactions from the spending plan, but I like it better as you still have an actual budget for it.
(It gets messy when the project spans multiple months, sometimes I use transfers to and from a manual fake account and sometimes I just let it be.)
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